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« on: August 13, 2006, 03:53:54 PM »

AKA, Rudiments.

No! Donít go away!...Be not afraid of sticking patterns. You may not like them, but they are the things that let you play the drums. A huge part of the drums is coordination, and without it you may as well play guitar.
And who wants to play guitar eh?!

People say there are about 26 drum rudiments, but really their endless. Obviously there are important ones, but you can never have enough in you because you will always find a time to use them, and itís usually to get a killer fill in.

So, this page is going to be a collection of sticking patterns. If you have any you want to contribute, post them, or PM me with them and I'll put them in this post.


KEY
R=Right
L=Left
()=Accent

Paradiddle
L R L L  R L R R

Double Paradiddle
R L R L R R  L R L R L L

Triple Paradiddle
R L R L R L R R  L R L R L R L L

Inverted Paradiddle
R L L R  L R R L

Paradiddle-diddle (Right Hand)
R L R R L  R L R R L

Paradiddle-diddle (Left Hand)
L R L L R  L R L L R



Doubles
R R L L  R R L L

Triples
R R R L L L  R R R L L L




Singles
R L R L R L R L

Triplets
(R) L R (L) R L  (R) L R (L) R L

One i made up
R L L R L L R L L R L L  L R R L R R L R R L R R

More at:
26 Essential Rudiments by Drumnetwork.com

or

40 Essential Rudiments by Vic Firth

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« Reply #1 on: August 18, 2006, 11:13:24 PM »

RUDIMENTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ARGH.....EEK....

I'm melting, melting, melting......

just kidding

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my favs are the rattamacues and the swiss triplets
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« Reply #2 on: August 19, 2006, 10:14:05 AM »

ooo, i havnt heard of them. Could you show us?
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« Reply #3 on: August 20, 2006, 08:21:28 PM »

This is a good topic, what about inverted paradiddles and flams?
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« Reply #4 on: August 20, 2006, 11:26:35 PM »

here are some that I found (if anyone would like to print,etc)

http://drumnetwork.com/rudi1.htm

im still looking for the Swiss Triplets, though.....

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(minutes later after a not-so-extensive internet search)

found em....

http://www.vicfirth.com/education/rudiments/28swissarmytriplet.html

 Cheesy Grin Wink

enjoy (or not) hehehe...

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« Reply #5 on: August 21, 2006, 03:30:59 PM »

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This is a good topic, what about inverted paradiddles and flams?

The inverted parradiddle is up there, but im thinking about rolls and flams. There a bit harder to put as a "L R L R" pattern on the net, and i find the vic firth examples a bit confusing (mayb i need to learn notation a bit better  Tongue). Im not gonna put them as drum tab cos that sucks, but i wanna put them as simpler Music notation.
I might resort to buying some blank notation paper, writing them out and scanning them in.

Cheers gmbydmit for that stuff! That drum network site has them written out pretty nice and simple. I mite see if i can get permission to put them on this page.
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« Reply #6 on: September 20, 2006, 08:37:39 PM »

actually a double paradiddle is RLRLRR LRLRLL. My drum teacher taught me and trust me hes not wrong. and triple paradiddles are RLRLRLRR LRLRLRLL
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« Reply #7 on: September 21, 2006, 04:40:31 PM »

This is definetly something we need to get to the bottom of. There seems to be 2 types of double/triple paradiddle. I got taught my double and triple paradiddles by Clem Cattini, a  incredible drummer that has played on over 40 UK No.1 hits, including many songs with the kinks, Carl Douglas and others i cant remember. I wont even begin to think he's wrong.

This is something we will need to investigate  :-/
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« Reply #8 on: September 21, 2006, 07:37:51 PM »

Well here Ive got proof! OK a para is RL or LR. a diddle is RR or LL. so what youve got is a diddle-para, for the double paradiddle, and a 3 note diddle-para for the triple paradiddle.
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« Reply #9 on: September 22, 2006, 01:57:12 AM »

So can anybody actually perform backwards the para-diddle-tripple-octave-para-2note-double-diddle-tripple??


Sorry - it just sounds funny to me!
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« Reply #10 on: October 01, 2006, 11:59:00 AM »

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Well here Ive got proof! OK a para is RL or LR. a diddle is RR or LL. so what youve got is a diddle-para, for the double paradiddle, and a 3 note diddle-para for the triple paradiddle.

Yes! i have asked a few sources! Your correct. It just shows even the masters can be wrong. I'll change that.

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So can anybody actually perform backwards the para-diddle-tripple-octave-para-2note-double-diddle-tripple??
:-/...no
whats that? is it L R L L R R R r r r R L R R L L L L R R R ?... But backwards?  Grin
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« Reply #11 on: October 01, 2006, 01:18:13 PM »

not sure I quite understand the octave bit... Cant quite play an octave on drums.
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« Reply #12 on: October 18, 2006, 06:52:21 PM »

some stickings i like

5 note rlrll (accent first and third note)
7 note rlrlrll (accent first, third and fifth note)

Paradiddle diddle         rlrrll
Paradiddle diddle diddle  rlrrllrr - lrllrrll
Paradiddle diddle diddle diddle  rlrrllrrll

Inverted Double stroke Roll    rllrrllrrllrrllrlrrllrrllrrllrrl relates to the
inverted paradiddle rllr - lrrl (accent all single strokes).

putting together a single paradiddle and paradiddle diddle to obtain a 5/16 pattern(thatīs actually 10 thirtyseconds). This 10 note pattern will lead with the left hand on the repeat:

rlrrllrlrr  -  lrllrrlrll

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« Reply #13 on: March 19, 2007, 06:14:29 AM »

PaTaFlaFla

Application


Inverted Flam Tab

Application


Good Luck Have Fun Smiley
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« Reply #14 on: March 19, 2007, 05:13:02 PM »

PaTaFlaFla

Application


Inverted Flam Tab

Application


Good Luck Have Fun Smiley




Those are great for beginners. Great to have you here! Wink
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« Reply #15 on: March 22, 2007, 02:25:10 AM »

RUDIMENTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ARGH.....EEK....

I'm melting, melting, melting......

just kidding

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my favs are the rattamacues and the swiss triplets
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« Reply #16 on: March 23, 2007, 07:10:45 PM »

wow this subject brings back memories... shesh!!
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« Reply #17 on: May 09, 2007, 07:50:25 AM »

Check it out:

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/inoaI5gFIxM&amp;ap=%2526fmt%3D18&amp;rel=0" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/inoaI5gFIxM&amp;ap=%2526fmt%3D18&amp;rel=0</a>


EDIT: Moved to Stick Patterns.
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« Reply #18 on: May 10, 2007, 10:25:43 PM »

Says that the user deleted the video.
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« Reply #19 on: June 03, 2007, 07:32:28 PM »

From his newest DVD/Book, "Hands, Grooves & Fills"

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/Itaz2J1_2pI&amp;ap=%2526fmt%3D18&amp;rel=0" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/Itaz2J1_2pI&amp;ap=%2526fmt%3D18&amp;rel=0</a>



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« Reply #20 on: November 21, 2007, 06:12:17 PM »

Wow, this thread really branched off into some interesting discussion.  Very cool!

Much like scales are for melodic instrument players, the rudiments are the solid foundation of strokes for serious drummers to master and use.  The rudiments cover the different kinds of strokes drummers need as "building blocks" for exploring new variations of singles, doubles, triples, flams, taps, ghost notes, and the like.  Whether we realize it or not, we constantly use variations of the rudiments all the time.



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« Reply #21 on: August 04, 2008, 10:26:20 PM »

ive been playing for 20 years and i just now learned about rudiments. so now im starting over as a beginner. i used to think a big kit and lots of quads was a great solo, well after watching some of the "old" guys using rudiments on 4 piece kits, thats cool. imo rudiments show talent. its also hard relearning how to properly hold my sticks. hopefully that works out better in the future, cause it slows me down now.
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« Reply #22 on: February 14, 2010, 12:56:29 PM »

I'm curious how Stew has done since August 4, 2008.  How about it Stew?  We really enjoy success stories here.  Got one?
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« Reply #23 on: October 02, 2012, 02:49:18 AM »

not sure I quite understand the octave bit... Cant quite play an octave on drums.
I have a 5.5x14 snare, 8x12 and 9x13 mounted toms, 16x16 and 20x20 (yes, 20x20 not a typo!) floor toms and a 14x22 kick, I can probably get 2 octaves out of my kit!  LOL!
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« Reply #24 on: October 02, 2012, 02:58:16 AM »

Snip:
AKA, Rudiments.
...People say there are about 26 drum rudiments, but really their endless. ...
Have you seen Benny Greb's "the language of drumming" DVD?  It is great, I have seen it most of the way through, and will sit down and do the exercises as I get some time.  To make it short, he teaches what we already know in a new and interesting way.  As he puts it, and it is primarily true, there are 24 things we can do at a given time with drums.  If you look at subdivisions, they are either 4 or 3.  In 4 subdivisions you and play 1, 2, 3, or 4 notes.  HE goes through each possible combination from all to none, and then does that with triplet subdiv.  Then the exercises are like, get the bass going 4 on the floor, play each 1/16 note  "letter"  then, play all but accent the "letter"  (A is the first note, B the second, H is the 1st and 3rd, etc), you ghost the notes that are not part of the letter.  Then do the same thing but double stroke the letter and ghost the "unplayed" notes.  The double ghost the unplayed notes and accent the letters, then start moving it around the kit, use the right foot for the letters, etc.  So yeah, 24 things you can do, in a million different ways and combos!
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