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1  Drum Forums / Drum Forum - Drum Talk - Drums and Drum Setups / Re: Your preferred set-up on: May 21, 2014, 11:31:51 PM
A little late responding to this thread, but what the heck!  I use a 5.5x14 snare, 14x22 kick, 8x12 and 9x13 mounted toms, and 16x16 floor tom all Gretsch round badge, and then added a second floor tom, a Slingerland 20x20.  The snare, kick, 9x13 tom and 16x16 tom were my dad's.  He bought them used in 63, except the floor tom he bought that around 65 or so and I think it was new.  I like the sound of the big drums, in fact, if it were not for the fact that the drums belonged to my dad, I would probably go for a 24 or 26 inch kick.  Oh, and I have double pedals which are not used much, just a little.
Tom
2  Drum Forums / Drum Forum - Drum Talk - Drums and Drum Setups / Re: Do you modify your drum kit set-up very often? on: May 21, 2014, 11:17:05 PM
I never could understand the snare tilted towards the drummer.  I know Steve Gadd plays that way, traditional grip, but still do not understand it.  Mine is tilted to the right and slightly away.  I could probably play it flat, but it would be a little hard for my left hand.  If I played matched grip, the snare would be flat to slightly tipped away from me, (like an inch maybe less).   I remember seeing early videos of Buddy, with the drum WAY tilted to the right and away.  Later days closer to flat, very slight tilt.  Funny how the drum kit has changed over the years.
3  Drum Forums / Drum Forum - Drum Talk - Drums and Drum Setups / Re: Do you modify your drum kit set-up very often? on: May 13, 2014, 12:01:43 AM
Very interesting.  You are right there was only one Buddy!  If I have to sit in on a kit, I HATE the idea of changing someone else's set up.  The only thing I really would do is rotate the snare stand.  Most guys have the snare angled toward them, I need it angled to the right and away from me.  The angle is really not that important, I could probably play it flat, but just can't with it angled toward me.  I also play mine higher than most guys.  So with as low as most guys have it, when I turn it to change the angle, that brings the high end close enough to what I need.  The other thing is I am only good for a short while on someone else's kit.  The throne will be too short.  My legs cramp if my knees are bent too much.  My thrown is 2" higher than the highest setting on any throne.  It is 22 or 26 inches, I think 26, I keep forgetting.  Does not matter, mine is custom made and not adjustable, and if I sit in I just live with what ever the other drummer's throne is set to.  I have had to sit in for a whole gig, and then I will bring my own throne, and will raise the snare where I need, and maybe flatten out the toms a bit, but will leave cymbals and such how ever they are.
Tom
4  Drum Forums / Drum Forum - Drummers Discussions - General / Re: bossa,samba etc on: February 14, 2014, 11:10:55 PM
Tommy Igoe's "groove essentials" is a good resource
Tom
5  Drum Forums / Drum Forum - Drummers Discussions - General / Re: Drumming injuries on: February 14, 2014, 11:07:55 PM
I was doing a fund raising gig for blood cancers (we are against them!).  2 weeks before the gig I injured my right hand.  Lifting my bike onto the center stand (weighs 900 pounds!) the bike slipped in my hand a little and I had hold of it by just the tips of he middle finger and ring finger and I heard (and FELT!)  SNAP!!!  I iced it down, but it was swollen.  I could not make a fist.  In fact I could barely hold a drinking glass!  My hand was going numb constantly, and I really only had use of my thumb, index finger, and pinky.  I managed to play the gig OK.  It took around a year for the hand to heal!
Tom
6  Drum Forums / Drum Forum - Drummers Discussions - General / Re: Your favorite snare drum on: February 14, 2014, 09:57:03 PM
I like my 50's Gretsch round badge 5.5x14 from my dad.  Of course, that may change as I am looking at a 4x14 Max Roach Gretsch round badge snare, so....
7  Drum Forums / Drum Forum - Drummers Discussions - General / Re: Performing outside in the summertime on: February 14, 2014, 09:42:01 PM
Fan for me is a MUST!  I am like a little furnace.  Wife loves me in the winter, pushes me away in the summer!  LOL!  I am going to get a small squirrel cage fan from Harbor freight, they are about $50, and small and will put it on a mic stand so I can aim it right where I want.  I always have a towel between my mounted toms.  I did one gig outside.   It was at a music store.  So we were just set up on the patio.  Quite the change from indoors.  I discovered that I absolutely need a monitor outside!  Big room inside it is helpful, but out side, yeah REALLY needed!  Could not hear the sax at all at times.  He is our band leader, yeah, that can't be good!
Tom
8  Drum Forums / Drum Forum - Drummers Discussions - General / Re: Booty Shakers on: February 14, 2014, 09:32:55 PM
I went to the site and saw video of people talking about it, but no demos.  Not sure that I would want them, possible I suppose.  the rubber feet on my floor toms are pretty big and isolate well as is, plus my small floor tom is 16x16, the other is 20x20!  Not sure I want them sounding "bigger!"  LOL!  I am sort of curious about the small ones for the snare.  I may be adding a 4x14 Max Roach snare, could be interesting.
Tom
9  Drum Forums / Drum Forum - Drum Talk - Drums and Drum Setups / Re: Vintage Drum Kits on: February 05, 2014, 10:41:30 PM
WOW some cool kits and Janice, SOOOOOO very sorry for your loss, that is terrible.
My kit came from my dad.  He bought it used in 63.  At that time it was the 5.5x14 snare, 9x13 mounted tom and 14x22 kick.  Then he later added a 16x16 floor tom.  I wanted a second mounted tom and got an 8x12.  These are all Gretsch round badge.  I wanted to add a second floor tom also.  I looked at some 16x16's, but the good ones were $1200.  I thought that an 18x20 would be a good choice, but he cheapest I found was $3500!  So I was looking on ebay, and found a 20x20 slingerland tom shell that needed to be restored.  The guy in the auction said there was a story to go with the drum and he would give that story to who ever won the drum.  I won the shell for like $60, and he had hardware for it (lugs, and legs, I still had to buy tension rods and make leg mounts and buy rims).  I think I paid under $125 or $150 for everything delivered.  The story was this, the drum was made in 1958.  And in 1964 he was a 14 year old kid growing up in Chicago, and taking up the drums.  His dad was a bar tender who did private parties for a jazz drummer.  Dad tells this jazz drummer that his kid is taking up the drums.  Jazz drummer is a real nice guy and says "tell you what, I will swing by and give your kid a lesson, and I have something for him." So the jazz drummer comes by and gives the kid a one hour lesson.  Then he says, "here I have something for you" and gave him this 20x20 floor tom.  This jazz drummer never had to buy any of his drums, (which were always Slingerland), they were given to him.  This jazz drummer's name was Gene Krupa.  Pretty cool.  Does not add any value to the drum, even if I could prove it, the drum shell is the only thing original, even the wrap is new! but still sort of a cool story I think.
Tom
10  Drum Forums / Drum Forum - Drum Talk - Drums and Drum Setups / Re: Your Experiences and Opinions About Specific Drum Heads on: February 05, 2014, 10:05:05 PM
OK, I will throw in my 2 cents here.  For years I used Remo Ambassador batters and Diplomat resonate heads, (both coated, don't care for the look of clear heads on a vintage kit, but they can sound good).  I used them because someone said to.  (hey, no better reason than that!)  Actually, I can't remember, because it has been many years, but it MAY, MAY, have been JC Heard that told me that.  I did like the sound, was happy with it.  I recently recovered, in OEM white pearl, my kit.  It looked like new, and new the kit came with calf skin so I decided to use Remo Fiber Skin heads, as they would look great on the vintage kit.  WOW was I pleased with the sound!  VERY warm.  I fell in love with it.  I still have the Diplomats on the resonate side.  I read that Remo makes a Diplomat in Fiber Skin, so when I change the resonate heads, I will do so with the Fiber Skin Diplomats.  My snare is different.  While I would LOVE to use a Fiber Skin on the snare, they just are not loud enough with brushes.  So I use an Aquarian coated head.  They stand up to brushes better than Remo Ambassador.  Oh, on the snare side of the snare I am using a Remo Ambassador.  I tried a Diplomat because I like a lighter head on the bottom, but the darn thing buzzed constantly!  Any time I hit ANY drum I could hear it buzz, and I am hard of hearing! LOL!
So that is my take on drum heads, and I never knew how much difference they could make till I changed over to Fiber Skin and it was amazing for me.  for others, the sound I love may not be the sound they need, want, or desire, but that is cool.  Would be real boring if we all liked the same stuff, plus would not be as many jobs for musicians either!
Tom
11  Drum Forums / Drum Forum - Drum Talk - Drums and Drum Setups / Re: Do you modify your drum kit set-up very often? on: February 05, 2014, 09:45:39 PM
Not sure how much my opinion would count here, not because I am just a weekend warrior, but just because I am a real odd ball with MANY issues.  I am not 100% on my kit set up right now, may make some minor changes.  When I say minor, I mean I may move this 1/2 inch this way or that, etc.  I made memory locks for everything (I am a machinist and fabricate and manufacture parts for race cars, hot rods, etc).  These memory locks, like on my boom arm for my ride, will lock not only the placement but the angle too.  I have little pieces of tape on my carpet to mark where everything goes.  (Oh, and I MUST use my carpet even if where I am is carpeted. it is an OCD thing).  I have had to sit in in emergencies and did not have time for the full kit, I would leave a mounted tom and floor tom off, maybe a cymbal, the remaining parts would be exactly where they would be with everything there. The issue I have in a case like this is the empty space "talks" to me.  I find it upsetting.  Of course, my floor toms must be clocked correctly so that the printing on the head is at 12 o'clock.  that is on all my drums, and believe it or not that is very important to me, why I have no idea, but it is!  I did say I have issues, so the short answer is sure I could adjust my playing to the kit anyway I need to set it up, but I really need to set it up exactly the same each time every time with drum key on the same lug of the floor tom, all the heads facing the same direction, etc, etc.  I told you I have issues!
Tom
12  Drum Forums / Drum Forum - Drum Talk - Drums and Drum Setups / Re: Your Bass Drum set up on: February 05, 2014, 09:06:47 PM
I have a 14x22 Gretsch Round Badge bass drum.  I use Fiber skin heads, both sides, no port, resonate head slightly higher than batter, I use the remo muffler.  I have the drum tuned so it works and sounds right when [played with the 16x 16 and 20x20 floor toms.  I am using a CAD mic, (remember I don't do this for a living!  LOL!)  My drum instructor (very good drummer, atomic fireballs) likes the tune on my drums.  Has only taken me 4 years to get them tuned to where I am happy with them, at least for now!  LOL!  Any comments or suggestions are always appreciated.
Thanks
Tom
13  Drum Forums / Drum Forum - Drum Talk - Drums and Drum Setups / Re: drum setup on: February 05, 2014, 09:00:12 PM
My kit is larger than it needs to be, with 2 mounted toms and 2 floor toms.  The biggest issue I had with 2 mounted toms is the ride cymbal.  The ideal place for it (IMHO) is right where the second tom is.  I played around, and found that I can have the ride only slightly higher than the second tom, and have it cover 1/3 of the far side of the tom surface.  I played around with different sticks that were slightly longer, but they just did not work as well or last as long for me as Vic Firth, plus the other sticks were only like 3/8 inch longer at most so no big deal.  Everything else is pretty much set where you would expect on an older jazz kit.  I do have a double bass pedal, so my hat is a little farther away than I care for.  Also, I am tall, my throne is 26 inches and the snare (angled away and to the right) has the edge near me at 32 inches.  I plan on getting a new DW hat stand, it will go taller (my pearl is high enough but no room for a clutch on it) and also has the legs made to fit it by the bass pedal a little better.
Tom
14  Drum Forums / Drum Forum - Drum Talk - Drums and Drum Setups / Re: Transporting hardware on: February 05, 2014, 08:50:07 PM
Ken, I feel for you with the shoulders!  I have dislocated both of mine, and broke the left one twice, and did an A/C separation and tore some ligaments.  (Yeah, I am a slow learner!)  I am just a little weekend warrior, so I just pack up everything in single hard cases, my 14x22 kick, 5.5x14 snare, 8x12 tom, 9x13 tom, 16x16 tom, and 20x20 tom.  Then I have 5 cymbals and the hat, all fit in one 22" case.  My tom legs (7 4 on the 20, 3 on the 16), double bass pedal, stick bag, bass drum mic holder (fits in the old cymbal mount, and curves around to bring the mic in front of the drum) and the kick drum double tom mount (custom made in my shop) all fit into my drum throne which is white pearl to match the kit.  Then all my stands get tossed along side the hard cases in the back of my Magnum, along with a small fan that I have to help keep me cool (I am like a little, well 6'5" 250 pound little, furnace!).  Again, I just do this once in a while, our ban d is hoping to get to be a house band somewhere, but then I would need another kit, not playing at least an hour a day would really bother me!
15  Drum Forums / Drum Forum - Drum Talk - Drums and Drum Setups / Re: Greatest invention since the Hi Hat? on: February 05, 2014, 08:40:21 PM
I know these heads are not the same, but I changed to Remo Fiberskin heads on my kit.  At first it was just an aesthetic thing, I always used coated heads, and my drums originally came with calf skin (made no later than early to mid 50's).  White pearl and thought it would be a good look.  Well, I previously used Remo Ambassador beaters, and diplomat resonate.  When I changed the batter heads to Fiberskin, WOW, what a great sound!  Very warm, really like it.  Again, know it is not the same as calf skin, but it is a really warm sound.  Glad I made the change.  Still use an Aquarian coated batter on my snare, just seems to hold up to brushes way better than any head I have used.  And I use brushes a good bit.
Tom
16  General Chit-Chat / General Chit-Chat / Re: Hello, anyone here? on: October 05, 2012, 11:14:27 PM
Could not agree more.  The tools and info available now are amazing compared to when I was a kid.  When I get a few bucks ahead, I plan on buying a "beatnik"  In case you are unfamiliar with it, it is a practice pad that will measure your speed and accuracey.  You can program in different beats and find out if your strokes are really falling on the first and third triplet, or if you are accenting that 4th 1/16 note, etc. 
the internet has been a great help too.  I have had only a very few in person lessons in my life time, maybe 6 total.  Mostly to learn technique, how to hold the sticks, how to make a stroke, etc.  Those things are hard to learn from watching a video, really best to have a person there to help you with finger control, etc.  Different licks, grooves etc, you can learn from chart or video, or listening, finger control, proper stroke, etc, not so easy to learn that way.
Hope you are doing well and feeling well.  I am digging being cancer free, see the Dr Monday to talk about how often we look for this stuff to come back, and what to do when it does.  Still, average remission with this treatment is 6.6 years, so that is pretty good!
God Bless
Tom
17  General Chit-Chat / General Chit-Chat / Re: Hello, anyone here? on: October 05, 2012, 07:38:28 PM
Thanks Ken, I hope your health issues are behind you.  Must say, really puts things in perspective!  I am developing as a drummer.  My grooves are more solid, and fills are coming easier, and sounding more fluid.  I still need to develope more phrasing for solos.  Yeah, right now 4 beats is about it for solos for me.  I have seen a lot of stuff on youtube that is helpful.  I am also trying to hear accents only.  I figure, if you can play the accent figure, and then fill the rest with ghost notes, that is one way to do things.  I am also trying to concentrate on playing fewer notes, something not often thought of by drummers!
God Bless
Tom
18  General Chit-Chat / General Chit-Chat / Re: Introduce Yourself on: October 02, 2012, 03:21:27 AM
Found where to turn on notices by default.

Tom
19  Drum Forums / Drum Forum - Drum Talk - Drum Techniques / Re: Stick Patterns on: October 02, 2012, 02:58:16 AM
Snip:
AKA, Rudiments.
...People say there are about 26 drum rudiments, but really their endless. ...
Have you seen Benny Greb's "the language of drumming" DVD?  It is great, I have seen it most of the way through, and will sit down and do the exercises as I get some time.  To make it short, he teaches what we already know in a new and interesting way.  As he puts it, and it is primarily true, there are 24 things we can do at a given time with drums.  If you look at subdivisions, they are either 4 or 3.  In 4 subdivisions you and play 1, 2, 3, or 4 notes.  HE goes through each possible combination from all to none, and then does that with triplet subdiv.  Then the exercises are like, get the bass going 4 on the floor, play each 1/16 note  "letter"  then, play all but accent the "letter"  (A is the first note, B the second, H is the 1st and 3rd, etc), you ghost the notes that are not part of the letter.  Then do the same thing but double stroke the letter and ghost the "unplayed" notes.  The double ghost the unplayed notes and accent the letters, then start moving it around the kit, use the right foot for the letters, etc.  So yeah, 24 things you can do, in a million different ways and combos!
Tom
20  Drum Forums / Drum Forum - Drum Talk - Drum Techniques / Re: Stick Patterns on: October 02, 2012, 02:49:18 AM
not sure I quite understand the octave bit... Cant quite play an octave on drums.
I have a 5.5x14 snare, 8x12 and 9x13 mounted toms, 16x16 and 20x20 (yes, 20x20 not a typo!) floor toms and a 14x22 kick, I can probably get 2 octaves out of my kit!  LOL!
Tom
21  General Chit-Chat / General Chit-Chat / Re: Introduce Yourself on: September 30, 2012, 08:14:56 PM
Tom....first of all welcome to DSA.  Second thanks so much for sharing your story with us.

We have folks of all skill levels from hobby drummers to seasoned professionals.  However, we all share a geniune love for drumming.

Please help stimulate some converstations here on the Forum.  I look forward to hearing more from you.

Cheers,
Ken
Thanks for the reply Ken, trying to get sued to this forum.  Is there any way I can have it default to send email notice of replies?  I am on too many forums, and communicate with FAR too many people to ever check back.  I am trying to remember with each post now to check notify me or replies, (I already did for this post this time!)
Thanks!
Tom
22  General Chit-Chat / General Chit-Chat / Re: Hello, anyone here? on: September 30, 2012, 08:08:58 PM
Ken, sorry you were ill, and glad you are back.  I was out for a bit with health issues myself, stage 4 cancer.  But I am cancer free now!  In fact, cancer played a BIG roll in my drumming.  I played as a kid, was not very good, but could sit in and play a groove and keep time.  Then life got in the way and at about age 25 I stopped playing.  Then a few years ago I got frustrated at work (no longer at that job), and needed something creative in my life, so I broke out the vintage Gretsch round badge kit.  Then I got hit with the cancer dx, and figured I should get serious.  I also wanted to do something bigger than myself, so I planned a fund raiser.  Things went as planned with the cancer, got a full remission (it is concidered incurable, so we were confident that it would go in remission, now we look for it to come back), and the fund raiser went well too.  I had a band and played drums in the band.  the band has stuck together since the fundraiser.  Very happy about that.  We play jazz.  And the band name, yeah, happy about that too, it is "Dancing with Ned"  Ned is an acronym for No Evidence of Disease, so dancing with ned means cancer free!
Anyway, hope to be able to spend some time here.  REALLY need to work on phrasing for solos.  I am getting better, and still have a LONG way to go, but so long as I am moving I am happy.  I do kinow that I need to practice more and play less!
Thanks all,
Tom
23  General Chit-Chat / General Chit-Chat / Hello, anyone here? on: September 04, 2012, 11:33:09 PM
I have been looking at the forums, then started looking post dates.  Most of the latest ones are not even from this year!  Is anyone here?  I tried to send a message to a moderator to ask about participation here, but I can't yet because I do not have enough points or what ever yet.  So anyone here?  This looked like it could be a cool place, but if new posts are are months old, then maybe not so much?
tom
24  Drum Forums / Drum Forum - Drum Talk - Drums and Drum Setups / Re: Placement of two mounted toms....a problem for anyone? on: September 04, 2012, 02:44:21 AM
My kit was a 4 piece when my Dad gave it to me around 36 years ago.  Since then I added a second mounted tom and a second floor tom.  WAY more than needed in my opinion, but it made me happy!  The ride was a little tough.  If I understood your blog correctly I have it placed like David Garibaldi has his placed.  I do have to lean in slightly to use the bell, but I am a fairly big dude, 6'5" so it is not a real problem.  so far as angle goes, I have them fairly flat.  My snare is slanted to the right, and away from me (play traditional), and the toms are angled slightly toward me, but pretty flat.  I can get rim shots no problem on them.  I also sit very high compared to most guys.  My throne is custom made and I think 26" tall.  so yeah, it is not as comfortable as having the ride where the second tom is, but it is not bad and after almost 3 years like that I am completely used to it.
God Bless
Tom
25  Drum Forums / Drum Forum - Drum Talk - Drums and Drum Setups / Re: Calfskin drum heads on: September 04, 2012, 02:28:18 AM
Don't know why anyone would use those today.  They are so temperature, and humidity sensitive.  My kit came with them originally, (Gretsch RB kit from early 50's or older).  I would think they are mostly sold to collectors who want their drums as original as possible. 
Tom
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