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1  Drum Forums / Drum Forum - Drummers Discussions - General / Re: Performing outside in the summertime on: August 09, 2016, 01:16:22 PM
Hi Ken
I have a gig in a couple of days that is outside under a sort of tent like structure. Do you ever tune or damp differently for an outside or semi-outside tent gig like this? Especially bass drum and toms.  Just curious...
2  Drum Forums / Drum Forum - Drummers Discussions - General / Drum shell cleaning & polishing on: August 09, 2016, 01:13:03 PM
Hi Guys

I have a gig coming up in a few days and my 33 year old Tamas are needing a polishing. They are nothing fancy, just black acrylic wrap. Does anyone have a favourite polishing product that will bring up the shine without a huge amount of work and will not leave surface scratches? Ideally it will also clean up the chrome lugs.

I was going to try a simple furniture polish like lemon pledge, but I'd like to hear what you guys have used, if anything.
3  Drum Forums / Drum Forum - Drum Talk - Drums and Drum Setups / Re: What is your favorite bass drum pedal on: November 04, 2013, 07:29:19 PM
Carthage - interesting comment about the DW 5000 vs the 9000 a few posts back. I have been thinking of maybe selling my 5000 double and upgrade to the 9000. I bought the 5000 as a "new" demo from a music store a few years ago and I like it, but it's the non-accelerator type and its taken quite a while to get used to. My though was that I'd prefer the 9000's adjustable action. Can you elaborate more on the difference in the feel of these 2 pedals? It seems from your comment that you prefer the 5000 - is this right? Do you see the 9000's adjustable sprocket feature as a benefit, or more of a pain to set up? Thanks
4  Drum Forums / Drum Forum - Drum Talk - Drums and Drum Setups / Re: What is your favorite bass drum pedal on: May 17, 2013, 07:28:23 PM
I find that I get so used to the feel of the pedals I use, that anyone else's feels really weird to me, even if its the same model of pedal, so I have to say that the ones I have are my favorites.

I have a DW 5000 double pedal on my good kit and an old Rogers pedal (I think they called it a swiv-o-matic) on my practice set.

The Rogers is an old strap drive job from the 60's or early 70's and is faster, but way less powerful, that the chain drive DW.

I use an old style felt beater on the Rogers and the factory beaters on the DW.

I also have the matching Rogers swiv-o-matic HH stand and it's pretty good too, but my DW 5500D HH stand blows it away in terms of stability and speed.
5  Drum Forums / Drum Forum - Drum Talk - Drums and Drum Setups / Re: Your Bass Drum set up on: May 17, 2013, 07:13:09 PM

I play a 22" Tama bass drum. Right now I'm using a Remo Powerstroke Pro batter head. I DO NOT LIKE IT. I much prefer the Powerstroke 3 - I believe the sound is much warmer and musical, if you can call a bass drum thump musical...
I use a double Remo Falam-slam patch where the beaters strike the head.
The bass pedal is a Drum Workshop 5000 series double pedal. I use the stock beaters, plastic side to the head.
The front head is a simple black ambassador with a TAMA logo and a 4" port.
I tune the batter head for a nice short low frequency sustain and the front head a bit tighter. Then I adjust the damping depending on conditions.
I use an AGK D-112 microphone in the port. I'm designing an internal mounting system because they're simple to do, and the commercially available ones are way too expensive for what they are. I think it will be a big improvement over having the mic in the port mouth.

To damp the drum, I put a quantity of loose fill polyester stuffing in the drum. This is the same thing that you'd use to stuff pillows with. It's like having a pillow in there, without the cover of the pillow. The beauty of it is that it totally conforms to the inside of the drum including the heads, and its tuneable.
To get the damping right, you reach through the port and put in or take out as much as you need to get the right sound, It gives me a quick, simple way to tune for different sized rooms, types of music, miced vs. no mic, etc. As far as I know, I'm the only one using this method.
The polyester fill doesn't blow out of the drum, and it always settles perfectly after you have relocated your kit. It's like loose-fill damping in a speaker cabinet, in a way.
6  Drum Forums / Drum Forum - Drum Talk - Drums and Drum Setups / Re: drum setup on: May 17, 2013, 06:39:31 PM
Hi Henry

We're in an interesting position ( I think a fortunate one) as drummers because we play an instrument that is uniquely customizable. Most other musicians have to conform themselves to their instrument, not the other way round. I say take advantage of that!
Spend a lot of time trying different setups out until you find what you're most comfortable with. Look at some setups used by other players that play a similar style and energy level that you do, but very importantly, don't simply copy someone's setup without being truly honest with yourself about comfort. Can you comfortably reach all the playing surfaces? Is something in the way? If you feel yourself overextending or something feels uncomfortable, address it right away by adjusting the positions of the drums and cymbals (or your throne) until it feels better. Even if it seems like a minor inconvenience or discomfort, don't try to "get used to it" or you could wind up doing long term damage to your joints & tendons. Don't be influenced by the latest trends, like perfectly level toms, or cymbals that are level or at extreme angles. Take the time to make it feel comfortable and then it will be right.
Just my two cents...
7  Drum Forums / Drum Forum - Drum Talk - Drums and Drum Setups / Re: Transporting hardware on: May 17, 2013, 06:21:42 PM
Hi Everyone
The SKB's are beautiful cases, but I don't gig nearly as much as Ken does, so I can't justify the relative high cost. However, like Ken I have a rather large drum set by today's standards (8 pc. w/ about 8 cymbals), and as few pieces of hardware as I can get away with to support it all. At first I used to simply pile all the hardware into the back of the car. Then I switched to a large duffel bag (think Hockey equipment bag), but the weight was ridiculous. I was always worried about serious back or shoulder injuries not only while putting it in the vehicle, but while carrying it from there to the stage. I've solved this for the moment by going with two smaller duffle bags ($25.00 each from the hated Wal-Mart), If you're careful, and personally doing the loading and transporting, it's a practical, economical way to go. I load them so that one bag has all the hardware from the right side, and the other holds the left side stuff, thereby speeding up setup time compared to having one big pile of assorted tubes and clamps. Each bag is only 45-50 lbs. I have a separate hard case for my bass pedal, and two cymbal bags to keep the weight down on those, too.
8  Drum Forums / Drum Forum - Drum Talk - Drums and Drum Setups / Re: Your Experiences and Opinions About Specific Drum Heads on: July 27, 2011, 08:15:49 PM

Here are a couple of my observations about heads:

- Don't expect to get your favourite player's sound by using the same heads as he/she does. Besides the head itself, you would be trying to duplicate the character of the shell, the way the drum is struck, the type and weight of the stick, the size and liveness (or deadness) of the room the drum is in, the recording technique, mics, and processing involved, and the music (or lack of it) that is accompanying the drum's sound. Just be yourself and develop your own sound.

- Many people overlook or disdain plain white coated heads. Don't be too quick to rule them out!! They can sound awesome.

- I like an open sound, so I use no muffling. The other instruments mask any unwanted overtones and I can play more relaxed and still get the volume I need.

- For a live, overtone-rich sound, I use Remo Emperor's on top of Ambassadors on the toms. To deaden it up a bit, I use Pinstripes over Ambassadors, and to take it even further, I'll use pinstripes over Emperors.

- I have little or no experience with other brands of heads, except for an Evans singly ply clear head on my 12" resonant side (Remo Ambassador was out of stock). As far as I can tell, there is no difference. After all, Mylar is Mylar, when you're talking about single ply uncoated heads.

- I always use a single ply coated head (Ambassador) as my snare batter head.

- Heads don't last forever, even if you're not a heavy player. This is true for resonant heads as well, and especially snare (bottom) heads.

- Thick heads and loose tunings destroy the playability of the drum. This won't matter to some players, though - (not that there's anything wrong with that!).

- If you need more volume (and if you can make this work with the genre you're playing), try lighter heads and tune more toward the natural resonance of the drum. My drums are easily twice as loud when I can get the tuning right at resonance.
9  General Chit-Chat / General Chit-Chat / Re: Neal Morse, Overture #4 - Drum Cover on: July 27, 2011, 07:30:38 PM
Hey man,
Very cool. I hadn't heard this piece until now. I like the way you play, nice controlled "economy of motion". I think the quality is actually pretty good for a phone, especially the video quality. How exactly did you record this? What kind of phone? How did you get the different angles?
What can you tell us about those stacked cymbals over your floor tom? They're a cool sound.
10  General Chit-Chat / General Chit-Chat / Re: What are you listening to right now? on: June 04, 2011, 04:41:30 PM
I was listening to the jam recorded just this afternoon with my son on bass and the guitar player from my band!
11  Drum Forums / Drum Forum - Drummers Discussions - General / Re: The best sounding drums on: May 14, 2011, 10:50:42 PM
There are a couple that would be in the top few for me that I can think of:
Andy Newmark's drums on Roxy Music's The High Road live album, Al Foster's drums on Miles Davis' The Man With The Horn, Mike Portnoy's drums on A Change Of Seasons (Dream Theatre), Bill Bruford's drums on One Of A Kind, and I do like the sound they got for Lars' drums on the Metallica Black album.
12  Drum Forums / Drum Forum - Drummers Discussions - General / Re: Drumming injuries on: May 14, 2011, 10:27:13 PM
Thanks Ken - good advice as always! My Chiropractor specializes in joint/ligament/soft tissue work as well as the more normal Chiro stuff, and I see him on a regular basis. My next visit is this week.
It's so important to keep yourself limbered up and stretched out, especially as you get older. I'd be interested in hearing from others about anything special they do to either stay away from these kinds of injuries or to recover from them. I usually stretch my back, shoulders, and forearms before playing. It helps a lot. Sometimes (if I don't stretch first), I get a bit cramped up in my right shoulder when playing the ride.
13  Drum Forums / Drum Forum - Drummers Discussions - General / Drumming injuries on: May 12, 2011, 11:25:18 PM
Hey there!
 - for a couple of months now, I've had trouble with pain in my left elbow joint - mainly at the outside part of the joint, and a bit on the inside too. I think it's some kind of tendinitis. It hurts quite a bit when I rotate my hand so that the palm is up - as in when you use a traditional grip. Has anyone else been through this? If so, how did you deal with it??
14  General Chit-Chat / General Chit-Chat / Re: Instantly recognizable drum intros. on: April 29, 2011, 08:39:01 PM
Here are two more that come instantly to mind - Dreams (Fleetwood Mac) and Lakeside Park (Rush)
15  General Chit-Chat / General Chit-Chat / Merry Christmas/Happy New Year on: December 23, 2010, 11:51:22 PM
Merry Christmas & Happy New Year, everyone
16  Drum Forums / Drum Forum - REC Talk - Recording Drums / Re: Minimum mic'ing on: October 12, 2010, 02:33:53 AM
Thanks Ken!

I also wanted to mention that when I began close- micing my drums, I also changed the heads to thicker, less resonant ones.

For no mics (usually the case when I play live) or the single mic, I use emperor batter heads and ambassador resonant heads on my toms. When I'm (close) miced in my little home studio, I change these to pinstripe batter heads and emperor resonant heads, and I usually don't need any muffling.

When we use the Zoom digital recorder with the built in mic for our band rehearsals/jams, we put it fairly close to my drums (about 3 feet in front of the kit) to get a good balance between the guitar & bass speakers and me (we don't bother to go through the mixer for these recordings), plus the room is on the small side, so I haven't been able to experiment with anything like an AB mic array from 6-10 feet away. Oddly enough, using the thicker heads helps in this situation too; the drums sound a bit thin and gutless with the thinner heads recorded this way.

Back in 1981 or 1982 I was working as an assistant engineer at a 24 track studio here in Toronto, and there was one time when we had a drum set miced with a normal close set-up for the bass drum, snare, and hats, but instead of an overhead we put up a pair of Neumann U-87's about 12 feet apart, 4 feet off the ground, 10-12 feet in front of the drum set. I remember it was a great sound. That studio was sort of in between, as far as "deadness" goes.

Another memory from the past was a time after that when I worked for a big commercial sound manufacturer. We had a pretty big warehouse with lots of space, and for a while I had my drums set up there and did a bit of recording. That setup was also close-miced; I didn't think to try any other setup, but the thing that really struck me was how much the large warehouse opened up the drum sound, even though they were close-miced. The volume of the space you're in has such a huge effect on how the heads vibrate!!

17  Drum Forums / Drum Forum - REC Talk - Recording Drums / Re: Minimum mic'ing on: October 06, 2010, 10:11:01 PM
Hi Everyone; I just joined the site, and I'm really impressed with the quality of your posts!

I've successfully used a few different mic arrangements on my drums; both close-micing and minimal overhead techniques. Here's what I've done most often over the years:

Simple setup - used for monitoring yourself in headphones (like when practicing/learning pre-recorded music): Single condenser mic overhead, 12-18 inches above and 8-10 inches forward of my head, through a stereo line mixer. The mic is panned to center, being a single source, and the program material from the audio system feeds left & right inputs of a stereo line input (a simple but high quality 1 mic/ 4 line input mixer was used). This worked really well and helped me keep the overall volume down. The drums were clear but the bass drum level was hard to control relative to the other drums & cymbals.

Close-mic'd setup - used for monitoring as above and also recording: 2 condenser overheads in an XY pair in the same position as the overhead above, with everything below about 700Hz rolled off; one mic per 2 toms (I have 4 toms), EQ'd to cover roughly 150-400 Hz depending on which toms; one mic 4" into the bass drum via a 4" port in the resonant head and more or less pointing at where the beaters strike the head, w/ everything above 100 Hz rolled off; an Audio Technica AT-851 Boundary mic on the floor under the snare drum, with the bottom rolled off below about 200 Hz. With this arrangement, the main part of the sound is the overheads, with the tom mics just supplying low/mid punch and a little additional stereo imaging (levels on these and the bass drum mic are pretty low, compared to the overheads). The toms are panned left & right just a bit inside of the overheads.  The bass drum is more or less in the center. The boundary mic on the floor is also panned to center and provides snap to the snare (which isn't close-mic'd) and gives presence and top end to the bass drum as well, which is a nice by-product of its proximity to the batter head (of the bass drum).

Side note - A true (90 degree) XY overhead placement is killer for a clear, focussed stereo image - try it out if you haven't yet!! For more info on this, check out any info on Alan Blumlein and the XY coincident microphone technique he pioneered.

In my band, we record ourselves (and review it later) every time we play or jam. For speed & simplicity, we use a Zoom digital recorder. It's just a little thing the size of a large Ipod, and we put it on the floor two or three feet in front of my drums. It gives us unbelievable results!
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