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1  Drum Forums / Drum Forum - Drummers Discussions - General / Re: Drum Solo - "The New One" on: July 01, 2016, 09:08:49 PM
the more I listen to this the more I love it. You have serious skills.
2  Drum Forums / Drum Forum - Drummers Discussions - General / Re: Drum Solo - "The New One" on: March 10, 2016, 09:09:44 PM
I enjoyed that, thanks for sharing. I would have bought you a beer had I been in the audience.

There are some really cool segments in here, you could use this as the basis for a really sick rehearsed "signature" solo.

You were obviously having fun, and at the end of the day that's the most important part of drumming. Nothing gets creativity flowing like playing for the fun of it, and sometimes the best chops are discovered by letting the drums play you.

Keep playing it, and keep enjoying it!
3  Drum Forums / Drum Forum - REC Talk - Recording Drums / Re: Recording Kick question on: May 12, 2011, 10:38:06 PM
I know this is an old thread, but here are some additional tips and tricks..
kill 400hz in the mix on ALL but kick (and bass guitar). This will be huge in bringing out the impact of the impact so to speak.
for more 'slap', use a smaller diaphram mic inside the kick (but not so small that the overpressure kills it!!)
Ken has written some very informative blogs on mic'ing, including the use of sub kick mics - check 'em out.

Did you know you can make your own sub kick mic using that old speaker that is sitting in the corner collecting dust? Yup - a mic wired backwards acts like a speaker (produces sound) and a speaker wired backwards will capture it (like a mic). The best commercial sub kick mics out there are actually made using a 6" Yamaha speaker driver. But here is the trick, and what to look for if you want to make your own: SIZE MATTERS! 6" has the best response given the typical speaker geometry, as you increase the diameter the response drops below the hearing range of the average human. This is due in part to the diameter of the diaphragm, and in part to the angle of the speaker cone itself. Typically speaking, he bigger the speaker diameter the greater the differential in distance between the rim and the dust cap in the center. The speaker you select for this purpose should be as flat as possible - a perfectly flat Sony APM driver is a stellar choice, while an ultra-deep sub-woofer is probably the worst. The deeper the cone is, the greater the time delay between sound waves hitting the edge and the center. The result of a deep cone is a muddy sound that will do nothing to improve your mix (unless of course it is a desired and intentional specialty effect).
Experiment using clip-leads to wire the speaker to the mic cable, if you have phasing issues try reversing polarity (hardware level phase correction).
Oh yeah - and take the speaker driver out of the cabinet. If it is  mounted in an air-tight box, it will have NO bottom end at all. A vented box isn't really any better as it will push on the back of the cone (with phased timing) and render it muddy/useless. the removed driver, on the other hand will (when hanging from a stand or otherwise supported) create a sound wave vacuum behind the driver which accentuates it's movement (and thereby it's response).

Enjoy.
4  Drum Forums / Drum Forum - Drum Talk - Drums and Drum Setups / Re: Large toms - legs vs. mounts on: January 28, 2011, 09:04:00 PM
Interesting question, Ken... Really I haven't given it much thought, I have always used legs simply because I have never owned a floor tom that wasn't so equipped.

My kit uses YESS mounts as well, and now that you mention it I would never hang a floor tom off of one of those for the following reason:  They are heavy.
To keep the drum stable, you have to tighten the ball considerably tighter than for a light weight rack tom. I live in a climate where the temperature can change drastically over a very short period. If the mount is too tight and it suddenly gets really cold (such as when moving it in the winter) the casing contracts faster than the ball inside it, resulting in stripped bolts - sometimes the tension bolt on the top, sometimes the 3 that hold the mount shells together. I have lost 3 mounts over the years for exactly this reason..
So I guess there is a tip in here for the new drummers among us: Don't over-tighten your mount pivots, and loosen them completely for storage or transport.
5  Drum Forums / Drum Forum - Cymbal Talk - Drum Cymbals / Re: My hi hat set-up on: April 22, 2010, 12:40:02 AM
Mine has a quick release clutch, I use it mostly when I want to do syncopated double kick with a closed hat. otherwise they sound pretty much the same.
6  Drum Forums / Drum Forum - Drum Talk - Drum Techniques / Re: One approach to tuning and technique on: April 19, 2010, 08:29:03 PM
very interesting thread, and the link is great too.

I've mentioned before that my dad played - he didn't play often and wasn't very good, he just knew a few 50's and 60's style 4/4 beats. It was amusing to us kids because it was noisy and groovy, you could tap your foot to it etc, but it never inspired me to want to learn to play drums.

Then my folks had a party, and one of the guests was a drummer. So the kit got packed up to the living room, and this guy started playing to songs on the stereo. That got my attention big time, suddenly there was a method to the madness and noise. I wasn't allowed to come down and watch, so I just sat on the stairs and listened. It couldn't be called a drum lesson in the conventional sense, but it taught me 2 of the most important things I needed to know:

Drums have notes, not as many as a guitar or piano, but notes all the same. The guy (who's name I never knew) did a brilliant job (to my then untrained ear) of the song In A Gadda Di Vida. It was that song that made me want to pick up the sticks and learn to play. The other thing I learned that night is that to get the full range of sound and all the nuance out of a drum kit, you have to be able to play just as well quietly as you can play loud. This guy played very quiet, you had no problem hearing the song over his playing and it was a really crappy stereo..
In short, I learned that a drum set is a musical instrument, not a jungle gym. The sticks are so light that even a small child can move them with the same speed as an adult, given the practice and direction (or a goal).

Anyone can whack a box with a stick. Playing a melody is something else entirely. Ron Bushy's solo in that famous Iron Butterfly song and Neil Peart's YYZ are two 'in your face' examples of actual musical compositions played solo on the drums. They have melody, they have a recognizable tune.

To this day I tune by note. But I don't just bring the drums into tune with themselves, I tune them against each other as well. Sometimes I tune them to the notes of open guitar strings (i have 6 toms, so this works out quite well). Sometimes I tune them so they make chords. But I always tune them so that certain pairs sound great when hit together, and frequently get something of a 'bass line' going on the low toms. Sometimes I use a 'reference tune' for tuning them, for example the (simplified) melody to 'Orinoco flow' gives a really cool note spread on the toms.

Talk about memories..
7  Web Site / Web Site Updates, Suggestions, and Support / Re: Drum Setup Application Development on: April 14, 2010, 06:08:07 PM
Thanks, Ken


A few notes about using the thing:

- When you drag a drum, the number drags with it. But you can also drag the numbers to arrange them, independent of the drum it belongs to.

- All items (and/or their numbers) can be fine-positioned by clicking 'Fine-Tune' in editor. Moving objects this way does not disturb their stack order.

- Clicking an item on the stage brings it to the 'top'.. The z-index buttons can be used to move items up or down, so if you find yourself with a kick on top of the toms you can push it back down where it belongs. You can click an item or number on stage, or in the list to select that item. Clicking the number or the list line does not bring the item to the top.

- Bass drums and pedals are rotatable when selected. Rotation buttons appear in the 'editor' area between the stage and the list.

- the buttons on the left side of the editor move the item up and down in the list, changing the number accordingly.

8  Web Site / Web Site Updates, Suggestions, and Support / Re: Drum Setup Application Development on: April 14, 2010, 02:43:44 AM
You are too kind - But seriously it was a joint effort, I didn't even come close to doing this all by myself.. Kudos to PASHA too.
9  Drum Forums / Drum Forum - Drum Talk - Drum Techniques / Re: slap rolls on: April 12, 2010, 06:56:04 PM
if I were to hazard a  guess I would say that maybe a slap roll is a buzz roll done with one hand only, while the other played a poly or something.. but Ken makes a good point too, and is probably correct.
10  Drum Forums / Drum Forum - Drum Talk - Drums and Drum Setups / Re: To muffle, or not to muffle? Is this really a question? on: April 12, 2010, 06:49:57 PM
weather stripping. The spongy stuff. Works great. lol

I actually HAVE to use some kind of dampening on my kit, since I have no bottom skins on any of my drums except the snare Vinny Appice style (only in later years did he have resonators on his kit).  One of the advantages of this is, removal of the bottom skin drops the note of the drum fairly drastically allowing the top skin to be tighter when tuned to the original note. This makes for more responsive sticking, the tighter the skin the faster the bounce. The disadvantage is, unless the kit is actually designed for it, removing the bottom skins gives gawd-awful hardware rattle. To combat that on my kit, I simply cut out the centers of the skins leaving an inch all around. That is enough to hold the rim in place which in turn keeps the lug nuts from bouncing around. (the part I cut out was then trimmed again and used as damper rings for the top skins).
Without the resonator (and it's naturally dampening effect) some form of damper is required to keep the sustain from getting out of hand.
(if you think of the resonator skin in the context of speaker cabinet design, the resonator is a form of passive radiator and damper. Inversely, the speakers attached to your stereo are glorified drums which are hit by electromagnets instead of sticks)

[edited to change 'Ian Paice' to 'Vinny Appice'.. brain fart]
11  Beginner Drum Forum / Beginner Drum Forum - Beginner Drummers Feedback Area / Re: country train beat with brush on: April 10, 2010, 08:25:29 PM
Recording tip for this kind of thing - record the music track on one channel (right, for example) and you on the other.. that allows actual and selective comparison of what you are playing to what you are playing to.
(In this vid I cannot hear you over the source, admittedly my sound isn't the greatest  Undecided  but to me it sounds like source is played with sticks and the brushes are completely overwhelmed in the process)
12  Drum Forums / Drum Forum - Drum Talk - Drums and Drum Setups / Re: left handed and open handed players on: April 06, 2010, 11:52:13 PM
I play right handed because my dad did, he had a 4 piece in the basement.  I only heard him play a few times, but it was fun. It simply never occurred to me to reverse it when i started playing with them, I used what was there being a lefty used to adapting to a right-handed world. it introduces some quirks in my playing, for example when I lead with my left I put an odd count at the beginning and end of my fills. and I like a hat on the right as well as the left, the right is usually left closed for double kick stuff.

 I tried a lefty kit one, couldn't keep a beat.. tried another one with double pedals, no problem for me (although I think the remote pedal got a good workout). I actually converted my cobras to lefty for a while, in an effort to lower the toms by putting the biggest drum under the smallest ones. it was a lot of fun to play, but the link wore out real fast. being the cheap bastard I am I rearranged the kit after paying less for a new driveshaft in my truck...lol

after trying many layouts ranging from Portnoy 'hang over the kit' flat with a high throne to 'on the floor' McBrain with his near-vertical toms, I settled somewhere on the middle.. Many drummers these days put a low tom on their left, and usually at the same height as the low drums on the right. That just made sense to me, having the kit somewhat symmetrical, so now my smallest toms are actually lower than the left hat - same level as the floor and floating toms

13  Drum Forums / Drum Forum - Drum Talk - Drums and Drum Setups / Re: Placement of the cowbell on: April 06, 2010, 07:50:20 PM
interesting trivia:
The standard drum set, as typically used by a right handed player, completely abandons the traditional percussion layout. Every other percussion instrument (piano, xylophone, glockenspiel, etc) has "high" on the right. The drum kit has high on the left. Unless the kit is a 'lefty' kit, then it conforms to the standards. This proves once and for all that left-handed people really ARE the only ones in their right mind - myself excluded, I am left handed and have only played a 'righty' kit so I guess this means I'm insane.....

Good post Ken, the bottom line is to place the cow bell where it can best be played, according to your style and the type of chops you like to play. The same can be said with the hi-hat, Ginger Fish (manson) has his hat right in the middle of his kit, due north of the snare. Easy reach with either hand.
14  General Chit-Chat / General Chit-Chat / Re: Biffy Clyro on: April 03, 2010, 03:17:41 PM
Trippy groove in that part.. and good question.

I'm tempted to count it as:
1 and a 2, 3 and a 4, 5, 6

But that's using the "if you can say it you can play it" method, and probably isn't accurate as far as the actual count goes...

15  Drum Forums / Drum Forum - Drum Talk - Drums and Drum Setups / Re: Vintage Drum Kits on: April 03, 2010, 12:44:41 PM
There is a shop in town here that only sells vintage kits. I'll take some pictures of their collection one day, it's pretty amazing.
16  Web Site / Web Site Updates, Suggestions, and Support / Re: Drum Setup Application Development on: April 03, 2010, 11:50:56 AM
Dev and beta are in final stages, release is imminent..
Watch for it!
17  Web Site / Web Site Updates, Suggestions, and Support / Re: Drum Setup Application Development on: March 11, 2010, 09:19:06 PM
to add to Pasha's post -
The sample linked in this thread is, for all intents and purposes, discontinued at the point where it is able to pass basic info from one page to the next and is not being updated.

Development has progressed to testing on DSA servers with full database support, and site integration is the main focus right now.

You guys are gonna love this, it has already shot far beyond my expectations and hasn't even hit beta yet. There is nothing like it elsewhere on the web, this thing is slick. I, personally, cant wait for it to open.
18  Drum Forums / Drum Forum - Drum Talk - Drums and Drum Setups / Re: Your Experiences and Opinions About Specific Drum Heads on: March 09, 2010, 11:22:39 PM
lol Tomm

To be honest, I haven't given heads much thought. My kit came with crappy ones, so I shelled out $400 to skin the whole kit in ebony pinstripe. I bought the black ones because they looked cool and would last longer, being thicker and all, and really never gave a thought to looking for any particular sound.  I guess what I'm trying to say is that I'm uneducated on the topic seeing as I have only ever played one kit other than my own in the past decade or three, so I have no basis for comparing one type to the next..
19  Web Site / Web Site Updates, Suggestions, and Support / Re: Drum Setup Application Development on: March 09, 2010, 08:26:13 PM
No doubt, last thing we need is to clobber each other's work.. lol
20  Web Site / Web Site Updates, Suggestions, and Support / Re: Drum Setup Application Development on: March 09, 2010, 07:09:57 PM
You bring up a very good point, I was thinking about that earlier.. the script that builds description has to be adjusted to replace line feeds with html breaks if the user's intent is to be respected.. that will resolve that issue, ensuring false delimiters cannot exist (I need to parse description to replace or escape pipes too, as well as filter out arbitrary code that might be entered like links and such).
21  Web Site / Web Site Updates, Suggestions, and Support / Re: Drum Setup Application Development on: March 09, 2010, 05:02:29 PM
The script now has a save button which as of yet does not actually save..  but it does send the values for the design to the server where they are used by another page to redisplay the kit as originally designed.

I'll add pedals and make it easier to add other things (like top-view gongs and such), while Pasha works on the part that sticks the data into the database..

This thing is almost ready to go.
22  Web Site / Web Site Updates, Suggestions, and Support / Re: Drum Setup Application Development on: March 07, 2010, 10:39:30 PM
Version 0.3.5a - this one returns the actual data string(s) that will be saved to the server.. there will be minor revisions (eg the addition of pedals and cleaning up the GUI), but this is pretty much the last major revision of the client side script before Version 1.0 Beta.

Ergo, we need to start thinking about the server side program which will save and redisplay from saved data. The only difficulties I see relate to authentication, we will want it to use the dsa cookie for that and, alas, my experience in that area = null. Also, my PHP experience is minimal, I work mostly with PERL.

Flat file is easier for me, done that lots of times, SQL will take me longer since I have never actually used it for my own apps... If we use SQL we will have to build the tables to store the data displayed in the textarea box on the test page, and again that is completely out of my experience (I'm a hobby-coder, completely self-taught.. lol). So for this part I will have to research the SMF system to see how the api works. Viewing setups doesn't need auth, since they will just  be basic pages with fancy css (or maybe XML), but saving and updating existing setups will obviously require member auth.

I'm open to any and all suggestions here..
23  Web Site / Web Site Updates, Suggestions, and Support / Re: Drum Setup Application Development on: March 07, 2010, 07:53:08 PM
Good find, Pasha.. your ability to find bugs is a huge asset to this project!

number snap-back fixed. :-)
24  Web Site / Web Site Updates, Suggestions, and Support / Re: Drum Setup Application Development on: March 07, 2010, 07:14:18 PM
It should be fixed now..  and, as an added bonus, the number can be moved by simply dragging it (fine position controls work too)..
25  Web Site / Web Site Updates, Suggestions, and Support / Re: Drum Setup Application Development on: March 07, 2010, 04:07:48 PM
thanks Pasha, if it were just a legacy issue I might ignore it for a while but since it affects current supported versions it is a 'must fix'.
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